The reason that I bring this up is that it raises the issue of "public secrets." As students you know a lot more about what is going on at the school than the faculty and administration wants you to know, however there is an effect that occurs when information becomes official.
So the post for the week is to read the following article (sorry Jessie, it's full of words), and give me your responses.
Slavoj Zizek: Wikileaks, or, When it is our duty to disturb appearances
How are we to judge the struggle between Wikileaks and the US Empire - is the Wikileaks publishing of secret US state documents an act in support of the freedom of information, of the people's right to know, or is it a terrorist act posing a threat to stable international relations? What if this is not in fact the true struggle, what if the crucial ideological and political battle is going on within Wilileaks itself: between the radical act of publishing secret state documents and the way this act was reinscribed into the hegemonic ideologico-political field by, among others, Wikileaks itself?
The ultimate triumph of the ruling ideology is that it can afford what appears as its ruthless selfcritique. There is no lack of anti-capitalism today, we are even witnessing an overload of the critique of the horrors of capitalism: books, newspaper in-depth-investigations and TV reports abound on companies ruthlessly polluting our environment, on corrupted bankers who continue to get fat bonuses while their banks have to be saved by public money, of sweat shops where children work overtime, etc.
There is, however, a catch to all this overflow of critique: what is as a rule not questioned in this critique, ruthless as it may appear, is the democratic-liberal frame of fighting against these excesses. The (explicit or implied) goal is to democratize capitalism, to extend the democratic control onto the economy, through the pressure of the public media, parliamentary inquiries, harsher laws, honest police investigations, etc. - but to never question the democratic institutional frame of the (bourgeois) state of law. This remains the sacred cow that even the most radical forms of this 'ethical anti-capitalism' (the Porto Allegre forum, the Seattle movement) dare not touch. The question is thus: can Wikileaks be reduced to this?
The answer is a clear no: there was, from the very outset, something in the Wikileaks activity that went well beyond the liberal topic of the free flow of information. We should not look for this excess at the level of content. The only truly surprising thing about the Wikileaks revelations is that there is no surprise in them: didn't we learn exactly what we expected to learn? The only thing disturbed was appearances: we can no longer pretend we don't know what everyone knows we know. This is the paradox of public space: even if everyone knows an unpleasant fact, saying it publicly changes everything. If we are looking for predecessors of Wikileaks, we should recall that one of the first measures of the new Bolshevik government in 1918 was to render public the entire corpus of the tsarist secret diplomacy, all the secret agreements, the secret clauses of public agreements, etc. Here also, the target was not only content, but the entire functioning of the state apparatuses of power.
What Wikileaks threatens is the formal mode of functioning of power: the innermost logic of diplomatic activity was in a way de-legitimized. The true target were not just dirty details and individuals responsible for them (to be eventually replaced by others, more honest), or, more succinctly, not those in power, but power itself, its structure. We should not forget that power comprises not only its institutions and rules, but also legitimate ('normal') ways of challenging it (independent press, NGOs, etc.) - and, as Saroj Giriput it succinctly, Wikileaks activists 'challenged power by challenging the normal channels of challenging power and revealing the truth.' (1)
Wikileaks exposures do not address us, citizens, merely as dissatisfied individuals hungry for dirty secrets of what happens behind the closed doors in the corridors of power; their aim was not just to embarrass those in power. Wikileaks exposures bring with themselves a call to mobilize ourselves in a long struggle to bring about a different functioning of power which reaches beyond the limits of representative democracy. Walter Lippmann, the icon of American journalism in the 20th century, played a key role in the self-understanding of the US democracy. He coined the term Manufacturing Consent, later rendered famous by Chomsky - but Lippmann intended it in a positive way. He saw the public as Plato did, as either great beast or a bewildered herd - floundering in the 'chaos of local opinions.' So the herd of citizens must be governed by 'a specialized class' whose interests reach beyond the locality.
There is no mystery in what Lippmann was saying, it is an obvious fact; the mystery is that, knowing it, we play the game. We act as if we are free and freely deciding, silently not only accepting but even demanding that an invisible injunction (inscribed into the very form of our free speech) tell us what to do and think.
In this sense, in a democracy, every ordinary citizen effectively is a king - but a king in a constitutional democracy, a king who only formally decides, whose function is to sign measures proposed by executive administration. This is why the problem of democratic rituals is homologous to the big problem of constitutional democracy: how to protect the dignity of the king? How to maintain the appearance that the king effectively decides, when we all know this is not true?
What we call 'crisis of democracy' does therefore not occur when people stop believing in their own power, but, on the contrary, when they stop trusting the elites, those who are supposed to know for them and provide the guidelines, when they experience the anxiety signaling that 'the (true) throne is empty,' that the decision is now really theirs. There is thus in 'free elections' always a minimal aspect of politeness: those in power politely pretend that they do not really hold power, and ask us to freely decide if we want to give them power - in a way which mirrors the logic of a gesture meant to be refused.
Alain Badiou proposed a distinction between two types (or, rather, levels) of corruption in democracy: the de facto empirical corruption, and the corruption that pertains to the very form of democracy with its reduction of politics to the negotiation of private interests. This gap becomes visible in the (rare, true) cases of an honest 'democratic' politician who, while fighting empirical corruption, nonetheless sustains the formal space of corruption. (There is, of course, also the opposite case of the empirically corrupted politician who acts on behalf of the dictatorship of Virtue.) In Benjaminian terms of the distinction between constituted and constituent violence, one could say that we are dealing with the distinction between the 'constituted' corruption (empirical cases of breaking the laws) and the 'constituent' corruption of the very democratic form of government.
Wikileaks revelations do not target only 'constituted' corruption, what they threaten is the 'constituent' corruption inscribed into the very form of multi-party liberal democracy which 'represents' a precise vision of social life in which politics is organized in parties which compete through elections to exert control over the state legislative and executive apparatus, etc. One should always be aware that this 'transcendental frame' is never neutral - it privileges certain values and practices.
This non-neutrality becomes palpable in the moments of crisis or indifference, when we experience the inability of the democratic system to register what people effectively want or think - this inability is signaled by anomalous phenomena like the UK elections of 2005: in spite of the growing unpopularity of Tony Blair (he was regularly voted the most unpopular person in the UK), there was no way for this discontent with Blair to find a politically effective expression. Something was obviously very wrong here - it was not that people 'did not know what they wanted,' but, rather, that cynical resignation prevented them to act upon it, so that the result was the weird gap between what people thought and how they acted (voted). It was already Plato who, in his critique of democracy, was fully aware of this second corruption; and this critique is also clearly discernible in the Jacobin privileging of Virtue: in democracy, in the sense of the representation of and the negotiation between the plurality of private interests, there is no place for Virtue.
There is no reason to despise democratic elections; the point is only to insist that there is not per se an indication of Truth - as a rule, they tend to reflect the predominant doxa determined by the hegemonic ideology. Let us take an example which surely is not problematic: France in 1940. Even Jacques Duclos, the second man of the French Communist Party, admitted in a private conversation that if, at that point in time, free elections were to be held in France, Marshal Petain would have won with 90% of the votes. When de Gaulle, in his historic act, refused to acknowledge the capitulation to Germans and continued to resist, he claimed that it is only he, not the Vichy regime, who speaks on behalf of the true France (on behalf of true France as such, not only on behalf of the 'majority of the French'!), what he was saying was deeply true even if it was 'democratically' not only without legitimization, but clearly opposed to the opinion of the majority of the French people. There can be democratic elections which enact an event of Truth - the election in which, against the sceptic-cynical inertia - the majority momentarily 'awakens' and votes against the hegemonic ideological opinion; however, the very exceptional status of such a surprising electoral result proves that elections as such are not a medium of Truth.
There is, however, a counterargument whose strength we should not misunderstimate (to quote President Bush). The premise that telling the entire secret truth of what went on behind the closed door, all the dirty personal details, etc., will liberate us is wrong. Truth liberates, yes, but not THIS truth. Of course one cannot trust the facade of official public documents - but neither is the truth the dirty personal details or remarks behind the official facade. Appearance, public face, is never a simple hypocrisy whose truth is the secret dirty details beneath. Edgar Doctorow once remarked that appearances are all we have, so we should treat them with great care - it happens quite often that, as a consequence of destroying an appearance, one ruins the thing itself behind the appearance.
This, however, is only one - misleading - side of the story. There are moments - moments of crisis of the hegemonic discourse - when one should take the risk and provoke the disintegration of appearances. Such a moment was superbly described by the young Marx back in 1843, when, in his 'Contribution to the Critique of Hegel's Philosophy of Law ,' he diagnosed the decay of the German ancien regime in 1830s and 40s as a farce-repetition of the tragic fall of the French ancient regime : this regime was tragic 'as long as it believed and had to believe in its own justification.' Now, however, the regime 'only imagines that it believes in itself and demands that the world should imagine the same thing. If it believed in its own essence , would it ... seek refuge in hypocrisy and sophism? The modern ancient regime is rather only the comedian of a world order whose true heroes are dead.' (2) In such a situation, to put shame on those in power becomes a weapon - or, as Marx goes on: 'The actual pressure must be made more pressing by adding to it consciousness of pressure, the shame must be made more shameful by publicizing it.'
And this, exactly, is our situation today: we are facing the shameless cynicism of the existing global order whose agents only imagine that they believe in their ideas of democracy, human rights , etc., and through moves like Wikileaks disclosures, the shame (our shame for tolerating such power over us) is made more shameful by publicizing it . When the US intervenes in Iraq to bring secular democracy, and the result is the strengthening of religious fundamentalists and the much stronger role of Iran, this is not a tragic mistake of a sincere agent but a case of cynical trickster getting caught in his own game.
Exclusively for Yaroslavl initiative
The most offensive thing to me about this is that you misspelled me name, not that you insulted my intelligence! Ill respond to this later!
ReplyDelete-JessE (no i)
Sorry about that Jesse (no i). It was a joke.
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately I had no idea what the wikileaks were when they were going on. I seemed to hear about them after the fact and even then I was confused as to what they actually said. However, Zizek is a pretty stunning person and everything he says he says with such a flare that I instantly find myself agreeing with it. The article explains that corruption is something we cause ourselves through the knowledge of its existence and our cynicism in its eradication. Zizek argues that the wikileaks, which were to supposedly liberate us with the truth, did not, as the truths revealed were something we already believed. The very fact was that a widely known concept was stated publically is what, he argues, caused so much unrest. Furthermore Zizek puts forth the idea that, regardless of our democratic societies, we have no choice. Of course we tell ourselves that we have choice and the power to behave freely or, in his own words, behave as “kings” but we all understand that those in office are the ones with the real power. And that it is our cynicism and the government’s imagined belief in itself that causes us to criticize our global order. This, to my own mind at least, is entirely applicable to our current situation at LASA. We all knew that funding was being cut, but it wasn’t really until it was actually announced that anyone understood that this was real. Even though we now have groups trying to fight it I don’t believe anything will happen (the cynicism) and that this is all something that won’t be changed. Thus we have created the situation in which we are now placed, and can really do nothing to stop it. Zizek does, however, point out that completely hopeless situations do not exist, so maybe things are looking up after all.
ReplyDeleteKira Strzepa 1/2
After reading this article, I would say that I was most struck by Zizek's statement that Wikileaks were, instead of groundbreaking news to citizens, something that we already understood to be the truth or at least expected. At first, I found myself agreeing with this statement, thinking, well, sure, definitely in some instances, Wikileaks leaked information that we we already believed, however, after further thought, I realized that this statement is certainly not applicable in every situation and so I don't think I can necessarily say that I agree. However, I do agree with Zizek when he asserts that no matter whether we knew it or not, in reality, a lot of situations leave us with no choice in results and solutions--as the general public, we're not the ones with the true power to change things, even despite America's promise of democracy. Lastly, I absolutely agree with Kira's statement about the Wikileaks situation in relation to the budget cuts at LASA--we all knew it was coming, it just didn't feel really real until we, ourselves, were affected by it. And now that we're affected by it, we want to have a response and a say in what the end result will be....but can we?
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ReplyDeleteI understand where Zizek is coming from when saying that most of what Wikileaks put out there for the public was already somewhat known by them. In our world, there are many rumors about things that we take for fact because the statements are consistent with "common knowledge". However, there were still many things that came from Wikileaks that shocked some Americans, especially ones who aren't aware of what is going on outside their own backyard. In this sense, I think that by releasing some truths the public unrest was not because these "secrets" were said out loud, but because we don't really think about it to great extent without it being shoved in our faces. I agree that we demand the invisible injunction Zizek says we do. That being said, I also agree that the people have little choice in matters that Wikileaks concerns itself with. Although we say we are in charge, those in office do have the final say and can take impacting action. As Zizek said, those in power pretend don't really hold the power, and ask us to decide if we want to give them the power in a falsely humble manner.
ReplyDeleteJenna Lang, 1/2 period
Zizek's reasoning behind his statement that Wikileaks were common known things rather than breaking news makes complete sense because us as high school students know better than anyone out there that there is a plethora of rumor out there. We tend to look at rumor as truth rather than as a hunch. The fact that information that leaked was already known does not surprise me, but people really see it more as conspiracy and really don't make a big deal out of it. Once this same known news is officially presented, then people go nuts over it, good or bad. They already knew about it, but unless it is on television, in newspapers, or on the internet, it is only idle gossip.
ReplyDeleteMark Rangel 5/6 period
There really is something to be said about the power of appearances. They are truly an important part of everyday life, whether we want them to be our not. In the end what matters is not what we really believe, but how we act. If we act like we don't know something, if we act like we believe in something, then it doesn't matter if we know or believe differently because we choose not to make use of it. When forced to face facts, we still keep up our appearances and act like it's all news to us.
ReplyDeleteCallie Stribling, Period 1/2
The idea behind this is that even though there are rumors which we take for truth about an event beforehand, the official statement of the fact still has lots of power. For example, the resignation of a certain principal was filled with rumors, but, without an official statement for the rumored reason, the principal was able to leave the school without a major dent to their reputation. Zizek goes on to talk about how the people need to trust those whom they elect, even if the elected are the ones with all of the power, and not the people who elect them. The elected can be corrupt, not in the normal sense, but in the way that they follow the interests that benefit them or the people who help those in power retain office. I think that this is not corruption, in that sense, just not the best way to go.
ReplyDeleteConnor 5/6
Zizek says that there are effectivly two levels of corruption in a democracy. One of them is, of course, bribing people. The other is the behind the scenes negotiations in politics. He goes on to say that democracy doesn't represent the truth. I agree with him to some extent. Take, for instance, the AISD budget crisis. Nobody wants that, yet it was decided by our democraticly elected ruling party. However, we do have a few choices: We could go and protest. Okay, that's only one choice, but theoretically you could also go fire-bomb the Capitol, or move somewhere where the school's are actually getting money (Like Abu Dahbi). As such, we are not as helpless as we think, especially with the modern advances of Facebook, Twitter, Google, etc.
ReplyDelete- Lane Kolbly, GI 1/2
I agree with Zizek (and Katie) when he says that Wikileaks wasn't groundbreaking to the public it was something that was already somewhat general knowledge, and wikileaks was an affirmation of their beliefs. I think this is the same with most information that is presented to people. Someone who is very trustworthy could tell you a seemingly normal story, but most people are still on the fence about the truth of the matter until it is reaffirmed by other people, especially people in higher power positions then themselves. Also when Zizek talks about how people need to trust those who they elect to power, instead of the people who elect them to power, I feel like that is almost a given. The more power a person has the more likely you are to believe what they are telling you because they have more to lose and therefore you're more willing to accept their stories without other people telling you. For example when a friend of mine told me the list of teachers who were being laid off, I didn't fully believe in what she told me until it was reaffirmed by other students and teachers
ReplyDeleteGabby McvRoberts 5th/6th
Zizek discusses how we pretend to be oblivious to something that in reality, we already know. With the wiki-leaks, the public was shocked about the confidential information they heard, but was it wasn't actually surprising. Part of this deals with how disconnected people are. Everyday people live in a bubble of routine and what they don't like to hear, they chose to ignore.
ReplyDeleteI hate to go back the budget crisis with AISD because everyone has used it. For several years we have heard that cuts were coming. We had been warned, but it seemed so distant from how we live our lives, that we disposed of it in our minds until the cuts actually did come.
What impressed my about this article was Zizek's assessment of appearances. Appearances are just as important as Zizek says. Regarding truths and the power you have over others, maintaining a good appearance makes it possible for you to gain followers and promote a certain message. For example, Lady Gaga, although bizarre, has accumulated a huge number of fans who practically worship her. This exposure allows her to promote certain ideas such as self confidence and gay rights. She is really an activist masquerading as a pop star in order to reach as many people as she can. Without this appearance, she would not have as much leverage as she does now, and could not accomplish things such as convincing Target stop supporting anti-gay organizations, which she recently did.
ReplyDeleteHannah Bangs (1/2)
While this article was a little long, I didn't have much trouble getting through it because of Zizek's language style that is so persuasive and not at all boring. (I also read the entire thing in his accent, which was very entertaining.) I definitely agree with his statement that Wikileaks reveal things that were already thought to be true. The majority of people know that the government does things "ithout us knowing", and obviously every government processs can't be completely open to the public. I would also like to add that I enjoy the way Zizek can change an article about Wikileaks to be about corruption in democracy fluently, without the reader wondering how we switched topics all of the sudden.
ReplyDelete---Gabi R. Hadad, 1/2
I agree with Zizek that, when the truth is revealed, nothing really surprises us--the only thing disturbed by the revealing of truth to the public is that we can "no longer pretend we don't know what everyone knows we know". This applies not only to Wikileaks, but also to everyday life. Someone my family knows well is getting a divorce, and for everyone who is close to her and is aware of their situation, this wasn't exactly a secret. It was never really announced publicly, but most people were aware that it was happening. When she did announce that she was in fact getting divorced, no one seemed surprised at all, because it was old news. While this is not the same as a political scandal or anything of the sort, it is similar in that the truth, in both cases, is known by the majority. The only difference is, after the truth is actually revealed, it's impossible to pretend like you don't know. So really, "appearance", as Zizek describes it, is the only thing that changes.
ReplyDeleteMichelle Zhang
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Before reading this article I had no idea what wikileaks were. What I find most shocking from the article is when zizek is describingyh wikileaks and says that they were an idea or aspect that we believe to be the truth and therefore expected. Furthermore, the article is mainly about corruption and how wikileaks are supposed to free ufrom the very idea (and actions of) corruption when this is simply not the case. I think that of everythingi have watched or read about zizek and his work, this is my favorite. I like how optimistic but crucial histhoughts are, as well as how he arranges them. Reading zizeks work makes me consider a subject and think about much differently than previously expected.
ReplyDeleteI also like th fact that this article heavily relates to the main topics of the first six weeks which were free will and determinism. From thiis article, I can deduce that zizek also believes that in the end, ultimately we have no choice over our actions, as they all have a precursor or reason for whatever is occuring. Afterall, we must not be completely ignorant of what is occuringaround us or the truth for that matter.
RAENEISHA COLE
GREAT IDEAS/ PERIOD 5/6
I was aware of the wikileaks, I had read summaries of their contents and it actually sounded like a movie scenario, with spies and conspiration. What has always surprised me is the hypocrisy of the whole thing.We know the US government, CIA ect is involved in the assassination of political leaders (Pinochet), US selling arms to countries at war, kidnapping, supporting political groups in foreign countries ect. The average US citizen either ignores it or doesn’t approve of it. The French people would not have agreed to their repsentatives blowing up the Rainbow Warrior during the nuclear testing. The people that make those decisions were elected. They are not representing their personal interest and they are not reflecting the public’s opinion. So how is it done? And who are these people that decide these things? Does the average Joe Blow believe that these people know best?
ReplyDeleteSandra Norwood
Period 1/2
I completely agree with what Zizek statements about wikileaks and the knowledge they present. (He is such a persuasive writer, he had me agreeing with him through most of the article!) I agree with his concept that things presented in Wikileaks are common knowledge rather than being breaking news to the public. In general, as people learn information, be it true or false, this information tends to be accepted as truth rather than something that could possible be true. But once this information becomes official, that is when we react. This concept is definitely in play at LASA with the current budget situation. We all knew the economy was hurting and that schools were going to have to make cuts. Students only reacted after these cuts had finally been made. Until the pieces of information floating around have been officially confirmed, it is only gossip.
ReplyDeleteNikita Prasad-- 5/6
I agree with Zizek's statement that revealing something publicly has a different effect on people even if it is something that is commonly known. When a person or people in power admit to something that's problematic then it takes on a whole new level of influential abilities. It also can lead to a higher sense of trust that people have for the people that they have elected to govern and lead them. A President admitting to something can have less repercussions than him concealing it if everybody else knows it regardless.
ReplyDeleteAiden Kahn, 1/2
Wikileaks is something that I never really followed but this article was a good way to spark my interest. Zizek makes many different points in this article, and I like that he talks about a few of the good and bad results and outcomes of Wikileaks. One point that really sticks out to me is when Zizek says, "The premise that telling the entire secret truth of what went on behind the closed door... will liberate us is wrong." This makes a lot of sense to me and I agree. I do think that the public should have some knowledge of what goes on behind closed doors, but the way this knowledge is presented or given to the public is important. Wikileaks, to me, seems like it could generate a lot of false or exaggerated information. Information that the public should know, should be shared but in the correct manner. I feel that more of the information that is being shared should be presented in the correct way from a reliable source, reducing the information from becoming easily altered.
ReplyDeleteEmerson Curtis, 1/2
Before reading this article, I heard about wikileaks but I had never really known what it was. I now know what it is. It is basically an online diary full of secrets from the government & politics. But thinking about wikileaks makes me wonder...who gets this information? Who posts this information? Is this legal? But most importantly...is it the right thing? Every bit of information going through the website, into our eyes & processed in our minds may be false. But we believe it. But why? This is just like when a rumor spreads and you have a group of about 4 or 5 people that can confirm that rumor, even though the rumor isn't true at all, and then it starts to spread as a true rumor. Because we hear things so much & some people/things have certain power over us, we tend to believe things that aren't true. I agree with Zizeck that power does influence both negatively & positively. But this cycle will keep going. Maybe wikileaks is trying to do the right thing by putting out true information or maybe not.
ReplyDelete-Mikisa Harvey
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I agree with Zizek when he states that the Wikileaks issue was something we were already all aware about, and that only when the information was displayed right in front of us we could truly acknowledge its existence. We may not want to believe in something so we simply shove it aside by choosing to ignore the problem, thinking that it will go away. Or we may realize what’s at hand, but we don’t face the issue head-on. There’s also this lingering uncertainty which causes us to never actually confront the issue until it is finally confirmed, usually by someone with more authority or someone we feel compelled to trust. The media does a pretty good job of clearly presenting information to us, but they don’t always give the full, detailed story, which is why something more straightforward like Wikileaks surprises us. Once the information is out in the open, the issue becomes unavoidable.
ReplyDeleteIvana Correa 5/6
I think Zizek is correct that many people knew about and chose to ignore facts until they appeared in Wikileaks, becoming "official." For example, most Americans had heard about civilians being killed by US troops in Iraq, but mostly blocked these stories out until videos of these massacres were released on Wikileaks. Zizek calls this the "weird gap between what people thought and how they act," which also appears in the political arena during elections. People vote leaders into power, and then turn against them only after they see the policies they voted for in action. For example, people voted for budget-cutting politicians and then get angry when the budget-cutting actually occurs. This displays the bubble of willful ignorance that a lot of Americans live in, isolating themselves from "minor concerns" such as war crimes and the socially destructive policies pursued by our government.
ReplyDeleteSander Trubowitz 5/6
Wiki leaks has its benefits. This idea to let old private information out to the public could be beneficial to let the people know what their government is doing and who the people can trust. Yet, it could also be a terrible weapon. Secrets could be given to enemies, wrong actions of the government could cause riots. I think wiki-leaks is a bad thing because it could easily ruin lives and like Zizek said, we all know some secrets but we don't talk about them and to point them out publicly is uncomfortable.
ReplyDeleteMakala K 1/2
For me the thing that makes this article intriguing is Zizek's attentiveness to all possible sides of the Wikileaks story. When the wikileaks scandal was a big deal in the media I thought it was a great example of the corruption of our entire capitalist system, but I didn't go much deeper than that. Zizek says that some people might assume that wikileaks is with the liberal capitalist viewpoint, but instead was created to show how bad liberal capitalism as well as the current people in power are. These kind of freed secrets are very ambiguous in that because they are purely informative, people interpret them to fit one point or another. I liked this idea because it's a reminder that people manipulate information to get the desired result Zizek also raises the point of truth not only liberating us from appearances but also corrupting the thing that existed behind the appearance. I think this itself is the reason why we lie and have secrets. We are so reliant upon the mask-like personality we have constructed that to protect it we choose to hide our true intentions and desires. Many people reacted negatively towards wikileaks because they were scared of the actual truth. we are scared of letting this wall down, and it makes us uncomfortable when others do.
ReplyDeleteBefore discussing this issue in class, I had never heard of wikileaks. After learning about it in class though, I came to the presumption that Zizeks works to negate: that Wikileaks is an act done to help show the flaws/corruption in our governmental system, and they thereby give the lower peoples a voice to make it better. But after reading Zizek's article I saw a new take on wikileaks: they are a way of bringing about thoses flaws and corruption in our governmental system. Having pondering this idea for a minute, I'd have to agree with him. If governmental documents are being released to the public, doesn't that point out our weaknesses and leave us liable to attack by our enemies? And, it's not as if the problem will really be solved becuase the ones they are protraying as causing the problems were the ones voted in by the people to begin with. Also, Zizek is right when he says we are not learning anything different than we all know already. My conclusion from the article was that wikileaks is more problematic than most would originally think to be and should be eliminated from its current form because of that.
ReplyDeleteDanielle D
Great Ideas 1/2
While I'd hate to agree with what likely everyone else has said, I do agree with the statement that the most shocking statement Zizek makes is that what is posted on Wikileaks is already public knowledge, however I agree that this statement is shocking in that what it is shocking that it is true and the world is as we know it. Our society experiences so many of these truths that go even unsaid but carry such a weight, that it's ridiculous to me how these things are neglected. I both support and dislike Wikileaks because it brings to attention these sometimes terrible truths. This mask that covers us, as zizek described, is both very beneficial and harmful to our being at different times. If wikileaks posted a document describing the treatment of a foreign spy who was interrogated, we protested it, and the government actually stopped torturing others, then what would happen when we couldn't demand information from a spy? Do we just let the spy go back and harm our country? It's a very hard question to answer, not how do we deal with these terrible secrecies, but how do we deal with these problems that are so impossible for a democracy to rule on because of their nature. The problem that Wikileaks brings to mind is that life isn't fair. I know that sounds almost distant from wikileaks, but wikileaks describes how the government deals with life when life isn't fair. It's like...how much can you really blame a kid for punching a kid that stole his candy?
ReplyDeleteI agree that wikileaks was just posting common knowledge, but having a well known source publish something makes it so much more real. Even though truth is essential to society, we don't want to hear about the bad stuff. That is why Zizek thinks that Wikileaks aim is not to inform us, but to mobilize us to bring about a new ruling power. But that hasn't quite happened. Stating the obvious isn't quite enough to get people to protest, though it does make people uneasy for sure.
ReplyDeleteIt is an interesting discussion to be had, for sure, that Zizek talks about here. Wikileaks happens to be an excellent example of this concept of public secrets, but that is not where the interesting idea lays. The fact that there are these things that people know but do not publicly admit to knowing is very interesting in itself. It is strange that these things, though we already know about them, have little to no impact on ANYBODY that knows them until they are publicly and officially released to the public. Zizek is right to be interested in this topic because it tells a lot about society and the mental aspect of why humans tend to have this problem, and why public secrets even exist in the first place.
ReplyDelete-Jesse Moritz
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